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julesjonesSturgeon's Law: "90% of science fiction is crud. But 90% of everything is crud." Though there's anecdotal evidence that he used a somewhat stronger word than "crud"...
It's a well-known saying in sf circles. And it applies equally well to fanfic. 90% of fanfic *is* crud. The difference with fanfic is that the 90% is out there in public. The crud that in profic is only seen by unfortunate slushpile readers is in fanfic available to anyone who cares to go and wade through the relevant web archives. When you read the slush, the 90% of crud, it's easy to forget that the 10% does exist; that there are people writing fanfic who are competent, even brilliant, writers; who choose to write fanfic not because they are incapable of "doing better" but because fanfic offers them the opportunity to write stories that they couldn't write in the profic world.
This outbreak of navel-gazing was prompted partly, but only partly, by a recent outbreak of "all people who write fanfic are parasites who only write fanfic because they're too stupid and illiterate to write *real* stories". Which, as any fule kno, is a load of foetid dingo's kidneys. Not least because there are a good many people who started in fanfic who went on to write professionally published fiction, there are plenty of them who kept right on writing the fanfic alongside the profic, and there are people who only discovered the joys of fanfic long after they were making a living from their writing. I'm fairly sure that one of my friends who happens to fall into that last category would not be impressed with anyone who suggested that the talent that allows her to earn a living from writing magically deserts her when she writes a story in someone else's universe without prior permission and an official contract.
There are also people who are good enough to be published professionally if they chose to write for the professional markets, and who choose not to do so. And it's an exchange I've been seeing in fanfic circles for lo these many years that is the real root of this essay. "You're such a good writer, why don't you write for money?" "Because if I wrote for money, I wouldn't be able to write the sort of stories I want to write." Some of these are undoubtedly people who just prefer to be a big fish in a small pond; who don't want to take the risk of putting their work before a more critical audience. But some of them mean exactly what they say. And no, they don't mean that they believe that their muse is a sensitive creature who would desert them if fettered to filthy commerce. They mean that the sort of stories that they are interested in writing are ones that do not have a commercial market, or that have such a small commercial market that the monetary reward would not make up for the loss of the non-monetary rewards that they get out of fanfic.
There are many reasons why someone would choose to write fanfic. One is quite simply that it is often *fun* to play with someone else's characters, or to play in a pre-existing universe. What happened next, what happened in between, what would have happened if, how it *really* happened. It's possible to do this in commercial publishing. Quite apart from the spin-off novels for media franchises such as Star Trek, there are several shared world series in profic, where several writers use a common universe, with varying degrees of control by a series editor. In some cases these are spun off from an established writer's existing universe -- an example of this would be the Darkover anthologies. In other cases the universe is set up from the start as a background against which several writers will be writing -- an example would be the Wild Cards series. But doing it by the rules means doing it by someone else's rulebook, which can be very restrictive. An obvious example would be the way Star Trek novels are often mocked for having a reset button -- by the end of the book, nothing substantial can have changed in the Trek universe. There are sound commercial reasons for this, reasons with which I agree. The show must go on, and in an authorised franchise novel you can't permanently alter the landscape that other writers will have to work in. But that cuts off a whole range of "what if" possibilities. If one of those "what ifs" is the one you'd like to explore -- it's fanfic or it's nothing.
Sometimes there simply is no practical commercial market for the spinoff fiction. It may be that the market is not big enough, and thus profitable enough, to attract the interest of a commercial publisher. The reality is that a publisher has to shift enough copies to make a profit, or eventually they will go out of business and be shifting no copies of anything at all. They can't afford to take a risk on something that might not sell well enough to pay back the production costs. I'm aware of one BBC sf series where the novelisations by the series creator were eventually published as fanzines, because the series is nowadays well regarded by fans, but didn't run for long enough or attract a big enough audience at the time for any publisher to see a commercial market for the books. It may be simply too complicated to untangle the rights, or one of the rights owners demands a payment or creative control well beyond what is commercially viable -- and again, I'm aware of real life examples of both situations.
There are other commercial issues which come into play, and particularly when we get into the realm of sex. Sex sells, but only carefully sanitised sex. If you're an American network executive, you're going to be balancing the extra audience you'll get by titillating the male viewers with a hint of hot girl-on-girl action against the boycotts and screams of outrage from the Bible Belt. You won't be wanting hot boy-on-boy action at all -- that's just asking for trouble. The most you can do there is provide material that can be interpreted by the slash fans as they choose, without it being overt enough to trigger complaints.
So someone who wants to write a story with explicit sex, or even the wrong type of implicit sex, may have no option but to go down the fanfic route. There can be very good literary reasons for wanting to write about sex. For one thing, it's a very useful tool with which to examine other issues. A story can be ostensibly about sex, can have extremely hot sex scenes, without its primary purpose being to sexually titillate the reader. Consider the wellspring of a lot of slash -- the frustration many fans feel with the marginalisation of women in much sf, the assumption by the pro writers that the only real role for a female character is to serve as the bad conduct prize for the hero. Some slash fanfic is deliberate and explicit commentary on this situation. Sex may also be used to add depth to a story -- sometimes it does matter not just that the characters went to bed, but what exactly they did there. Blake's 7 in particular has inspired a lot of X-rated fanfic which is nothing more or less than political sf that uses explicit sex to explore political and cultural issues -- some of which were in fact explored by the show, though in a much more inhibited fashion.
And yes, some fanfic is porn. It's hot, sweaty sex, that's written for no greater purpose than to get the writer and readers off as quickly as possible. A lot of it is of no literary merit whatsoever, but when it's well-written porn, why is it bad just because it's fanfic? God knows there's enough badly-written commercial porn out there. 90% of *everything* is crud. There are some stunning examples of erotic fanfic, and if they were written for a market sector where the payoff for the writer comes in the form of "I loved your story" rather than cash in hand, then that may be the payoff that the writer prefers.
Which leads back to another reason for a writer to prefer working in the medium of fanfic. *Any* fanfic, not just the stuff with the sex. Interaction with your audience. In many fandoms, good fanfic writers get a lot of feedback. Unfortunately bad writers do as well... But that fast, often detailed response from readers can be a more desirable payment for some writers than royalty payments that only start to come in months or years after you've turned in the manuscript. Where it's feedback from readers who are selective about quality, a detailed "I loved your story because..." can be an enormous emotional reward. Write a story that you may have to shop around several editors even if you're an established pro, that you won't get paid for until several months after you submitted it, that you may never get any letters of comment about at all -- or write a story that will get you feedback within hours of your being sufficiently satisfied with its quality to post it online. For many people the choice isn't automatically in favour of the money.
Guaranteed publication is sometimes an attractive feature as well, even for those who understand the perils of thinking that you don't need an editor. The fanfic world is often (not always) more tolerant of experimentation, simply because there isn't money at stake. More tolerant of experimentation, of odd lengths that don't fit the practical needs of the commercial world, of authors deciding that they want to seriously fuck with the reader's head. I plead guilty to the latter. I'm not currently writing fanfic, but one reason I wouldn't ever rule out going back to it is that I know that there is an audience out there who will put up with me seriously fucking with their heads, maybe even enjoy it and want to do it again, just so long as I don't do it *too* often and I do it well enough. There are also people who will swear to never read anything by me again, but that matters rather less when my publisher's livelihood won't be affected because in effect there is no publisher with a livelihood to worry about.
One more reason to write fanfic: because it allows you to write the sort of story that needs to be written as an incident occurring in an existing universe that the reader is familiar with. Sometimes all the exposition needed to set up the payoff of the story blunts the impact of the story. When the reader can be assumed to already have a large chunk of background, you can strip the story down to its bare essentials and punch the reader in the gut. Or you can play with the expectations set up by the pre-existing knowledge, and surprise the reader by giving them what they *didn't* expect. You can add implicit layers to the story, things merely hinted at, that are fun for the reader to tease out into the open. Again, it's possible to do this in commercial fiction. You can play in a shared world series, where readers already have a lot of the background by the time they're several stories in. You can write franchise novels. If you're an established author with your own well-established universe, you can do it there. Obvious examples for that would be Lois McMaster Bujold's Vorkosigan books, not all of which feature the Vorkosigans as major characters, and Terry Pratchett's Discworld. You can draw on our shared cultural background, that web of myth and legend. There are many, many versions of the Arthurian legend out there, and people are still finding new things to say with the concept of the vampire. Or you can borrow someone else's universe without permission, and write fanfic.
There are lots of reasons why someone would write fanfic when they're good enough to be published commercially. When, in some cases, they *are* being published commercially, are earning enough to make a reasonable living from their commercial writing. I've only given some of the most obvious, the most generic, reasons. It's never a good idea to assume that people write fanfic because they can't write profic, or because they use it as a tool to learn some of the techniques they'll need in profic. That's true of some people. But some people write fanfic because... it's a hell of a lot of fun.
It's a well-known saying in sf circles. And it applies equally well to fanfic. 90% of fanfic *is* crud. The difference with fanfic is that the 90% is out there in public. The crud that in profic is only seen by unfortunate slushpile readers is in fanfic available to anyone who cares to go and wade through the relevant web archives. When you read the slush, the 90% of crud, it's easy to forget that the 10% does exist; that there are people writing fanfic who are competent, even brilliant, writers; who choose to write fanfic not because they are incapable of "doing better" but because fanfic offers them the opportunity to write stories that they couldn't write in the profic world.
This outbreak of navel-gazing was prompted partly, but only partly, by a recent outbreak of "all people who write fanfic are parasites who only write fanfic because they're too stupid and illiterate to write *real* stories". Which, as any fule kno, is a load of foetid dingo's kidneys. Not least because there are a good many people who started in fanfic who went on to write professionally published fiction, there are plenty of them who kept right on writing the fanfic alongside the profic, and there are people who only discovered the joys of fanfic long after they were making a living from their writing. I'm fairly sure that one of my friends who happens to fall into that last category would not be impressed with anyone who suggested that the talent that allows her to earn a living from writing magically deserts her when she writes a story in someone else's universe without prior permission and an official contract.
There are also people who are good enough to be published professionally if they chose to write for the professional markets, and who choose not to do so. And it's an exchange I've been seeing in fanfic circles for lo these many years that is the real root of this essay. "You're such a good writer, why don't you write for money?" "Because if I wrote for money, I wouldn't be able to write the sort of stories I want to write." Some of these are undoubtedly people who just prefer to be a big fish in a small pond; who don't want to take the risk of putting their work before a more critical audience. But some of them mean exactly what they say. And no, they don't mean that they believe that their muse is a sensitive creature who would desert them if fettered to filthy commerce. They mean that the sort of stories that they are interested in writing are ones that do not have a commercial market, or that have such a small commercial market that the monetary reward would not make up for the loss of the non-monetary rewards that they get out of fanfic.
There are many reasons why someone would choose to write fanfic. One is quite simply that it is often *fun* to play with someone else's characters, or to play in a pre-existing universe. What happened next, what happened in between, what would have happened if, how it *really* happened. It's possible to do this in commercial publishing. Quite apart from the spin-off novels for media franchises such as Star Trek, there are several shared world series in profic, where several writers use a common universe, with varying degrees of control by a series editor. In some cases these are spun off from an established writer's existing universe -- an example of this would be the Darkover anthologies. In other cases the universe is set up from the start as a background against which several writers will be writing -- an example would be the Wild Cards series. But doing it by the rules means doing it by someone else's rulebook, which can be very restrictive. An obvious example would be the way Star Trek novels are often mocked for having a reset button -- by the end of the book, nothing substantial can have changed in the Trek universe. There are sound commercial reasons for this, reasons with which I agree. The show must go on, and in an authorised franchise novel you can't permanently alter the landscape that other writers will have to work in. But that cuts off a whole range of "what if" possibilities. If one of those "what ifs" is the one you'd like to explore -- it's fanfic or it's nothing.
Sometimes there simply is no practical commercial market for the spinoff fiction. It may be that the market is not big enough, and thus profitable enough, to attract the interest of a commercial publisher. The reality is that a publisher has to shift enough copies to make a profit, or eventually they will go out of business and be shifting no copies of anything at all. They can't afford to take a risk on something that might not sell well enough to pay back the production costs. I'm aware of one BBC sf series where the novelisations by the series creator were eventually published as fanzines, because the series is nowadays well regarded by fans, but didn't run for long enough or attract a big enough audience at the time for any publisher to see a commercial market for the books. It may be simply too complicated to untangle the rights, or one of the rights owners demands a payment or creative control well beyond what is commercially viable -- and again, I'm aware of real life examples of both situations.
There are other commercial issues which come into play, and particularly when we get into the realm of sex. Sex sells, but only carefully sanitised sex. If you're an American network executive, you're going to be balancing the extra audience you'll get by titillating the male viewers with a hint of hot girl-on-girl action against the boycotts and screams of outrage from the Bible Belt. You won't be wanting hot boy-on-boy action at all -- that's just asking for trouble. The most you can do there is provide material that can be interpreted by the slash fans as they choose, without it being overt enough to trigger complaints.
So someone who wants to write a story with explicit sex, or even the wrong type of implicit sex, may have no option but to go down the fanfic route. There can be very good literary reasons for wanting to write about sex. For one thing, it's a very useful tool with which to examine other issues. A story can be ostensibly about sex, can have extremely hot sex scenes, without its primary purpose being to sexually titillate the reader. Consider the wellspring of a lot of slash -- the frustration many fans feel with the marginalisation of women in much sf, the assumption by the pro writers that the only real role for a female character is to serve as the bad conduct prize for the hero. Some slash fanfic is deliberate and explicit commentary on this situation. Sex may also be used to add depth to a story -- sometimes it does matter not just that the characters went to bed, but what exactly they did there. Blake's 7 in particular has inspired a lot of X-rated fanfic which is nothing more or less than political sf that uses explicit sex to explore political and cultural issues -- some of which were in fact explored by the show, though in a much more inhibited fashion.
And yes, some fanfic is porn. It's hot, sweaty sex, that's written for no greater purpose than to get the writer and readers off as quickly as possible. A lot of it is of no literary merit whatsoever, but when it's well-written porn, why is it bad just because it's fanfic? God knows there's enough badly-written commercial porn out there. 90% of *everything* is crud. There are some stunning examples of erotic fanfic, and if they were written for a market sector where the payoff for the writer comes in the form of "I loved your story" rather than cash in hand, then that may be the payoff that the writer prefers.
Which leads back to another reason for a writer to prefer working in the medium of fanfic. *Any* fanfic, not just the stuff with the sex. Interaction with your audience. In many fandoms, good fanfic writers get a lot of feedback. Unfortunately bad writers do as well... But that fast, often detailed response from readers can be a more desirable payment for some writers than royalty payments that only start to come in months or years after you've turned in the manuscript. Where it's feedback from readers who are selective about quality, a detailed "I loved your story because..." can be an enormous emotional reward. Write a story that you may have to shop around several editors even if you're an established pro, that you won't get paid for until several months after you submitted it, that you may never get any letters of comment about at all -- or write a story that will get you feedback within hours of your being sufficiently satisfied with its quality to post it online. For many people the choice isn't automatically in favour of the money.
Guaranteed publication is sometimes an attractive feature as well, even for those who understand the perils of thinking that you don't need an editor. The fanfic world is often (not always) more tolerant of experimentation, simply because there isn't money at stake. More tolerant of experimentation, of odd lengths that don't fit the practical needs of the commercial world, of authors deciding that they want to seriously fuck with the reader's head. I plead guilty to the latter. I'm not currently writing fanfic, but one reason I wouldn't ever rule out going back to it is that I know that there is an audience out there who will put up with me seriously fucking with their heads, maybe even enjoy it and want to do it again, just so long as I don't do it *too* often and I do it well enough. There are also people who will swear to never read anything by me again, but that matters rather less when my publisher's livelihood won't be affected because in effect there is no publisher with a livelihood to worry about.
One more reason to write fanfic: because it allows you to write the sort of story that needs to be written as an incident occurring in an existing universe that the reader is familiar with. Sometimes all the exposition needed to set up the payoff of the story blunts the impact of the story. When the reader can be assumed to already have a large chunk of background, you can strip the story down to its bare essentials and punch the reader in the gut. Or you can play with the expectations set up by the pre-existing knowledge, and surprise the reader by giving them what they *didn't* expect. You can add implicit layers to the story, things merely hinted at, that are fun for the reader to tease out into the open. Again, it's possible to do this in commercial fiction. You can play in a shared world series, where readers already have a lot of the background by the time they're several stories in. You can write franchise novels. If you're an established author with your own well-established universe, you can do it there. Obvious examples for that would be Lois McMaster Bujold's Vorkosigan books, not all of which feature the Vorkosigans as major characters, and Terry Pratchett's Discworld. You can draw on our shared cultural background, that web of myth and legend. There are many, many versions of the Arthurian legend out there, and people are still finding new things to say with the concept of the vampire. Or you can borrow someone else's universe without permission, and write fanfic.
There are lots of reasons why someone would write fanfic when they're good enough to be published commercially. When, in some cases, they *are* being published commercially, are earning enough to make a reasonable living from their commercial writing. I've only given some of the most obvious, the most generic, reasons. It's never a good idea to assume that people write fanfic because they can't write profic, or because they use it as a tool to learn some of the techniques they'll need in profic. That's true of some people. But some people write fanfic because... it's a hell of a lot of fun.
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Date: 2005-09-02 11:50 am (UTC)All of your points are good and valid. Interestingly, I have to say that of the selection that I read, far less than 90% is crud. Of course I tend to read femslash exclusively and most of it is written by women for women. Hence a lot of it deals with feelings and relationship stuff, but it's also extremely hot. But I'd say that 75% of what I'm reading is good stuff and I'd probably say that 40% of what I'm reading is as good as many pros write.
Possibly one of the reasons for this is that the people writing fanfic really, really care about the characters and the universe that they're writing in. They fell in love with them long before they attempted to write in them and they really do have a very deep and detailed understanding of the setting that they're using.
Yes, I'm writing and trying to sell original stuff now, but believe me, the height of my ambition is still to write Trek. And oh, I wish I had the ability to write decent porn, but sadly I can't ... or perhaps I just need to study harder *g*!
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Date: 2005-09-02 12:43 pm (UTC)I think the older fandoms have an advantage, in that people *were* paying for printzines, and that provided some incentive to selectively buy zines from editors who could be trusted to weed out the complete crap. That then bootstraps -- people who read stories that are at least adequate by and large then learn to write reasonable stories themselves.
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Date: 2005-09-03 04:14 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2005-09-03 04:34 am (UTC)If you're looking for Blake's 7 femslash, you could do worse than try the Hermit Library's search engine, which has facilities to select for minimum and maximumum level of m/f, m/m and f/f, by season, by character, etc.
http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7/Library/SrchReq.cgi
The reader ratings are not reliable, because there are readers who will five star anything with their OTP and one star anything else (and sundry other forms of "quality consists of catering precisely to *my* tastes" - I'm failry sure that a couple of my stories get mixed 1 star and 5 star with nothing in between because some people really don't like angst). Skimming the author names (I haven't read all of the stories that come up when you select for stories with at least some f/f), Ika's stories would probably be your best choice to start with. You'll need to be familiar with the series to enjoy some of these stories, and others have spoilers.
The gen slash archive Pink Asteroids has a couple of femslash stories - "No Longer Celia" is a superb piece of angst, but again you do need to be familiar with the series to understand what's going on.
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Date: 2005-09-03 07:57 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2005-09-03 11:41 pm (UTC)And I forgot to include the link to Pink Asteroids:
http://pinkasteroids.org.uk/
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Date: 2005-09-04 08:57 pm (UTC)Out of the three B7 anthologies I published, I think I only rejected one or maybe two stories. Every other submission was high quality stuff, though I gather B7 tended to have a higher proportion of quality than most fandoms.
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Date: 2005-09-02 12:02 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2005-09-02 12:44 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2005-09-02 12:12 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2005-09-02 12:46 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2005-09-02 12:23 pm (UTC)Sometimes, I think some people view writing as hobby as a bad thing. I don't understand why. One of my friends who also wrote fan fic rather make money from art than from writing, tho she continues to write and is quite good. When it's a hobby, we don't need to take it too seriously. :)
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Date: 2005-09-02 12:52 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2005-09-02 01:14 pm (UTC)Again, well said *applauds*. So what fandoms do you write in?
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Date: 2005-09-02 01:55 pm (UTC)I've only ever written Blake's 7 fanfic -- when I gafiated writing-wise, it was to my own universes rather than another fandom. The stuff I've sold to pro markets is almost all gay paranormal romance and gay erotica -- original slash by any other name. (There are excerpts and a couple of short stories available on my website, including one that was first published in a fanzine and has had the serial numbers lightly filed.)
Most of my fanfic was published in printzines - there's some on the web now, but moving more over is a round tuit job involving actually thinking about stuff like "is there any chance I'd want to file the serial numbers off this?"
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Date: 2005-09-03 01:32 am (UTC)Anyway, back to the point. Great post! I've not read much fanfic, because most of it is so excruciating that throwing oneself through a plate-glass window is preferable. I have a sneaking suspicion that franchise books for series like 'Star Wars' are merely fan fics writ large: certainly, the few I've read have been awful, but perhaps I've been unlucky. I like books that play with the punter's - uh - reader's expectations, turning the fantasy world upside down. For instance Elves that aren't noble and mystical - oh, how tired I am of those creeps!
May I friend you, please?
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Date: 2005-09-03 02:04 am (UTC)There's plenty of good fanfic, but my god you have to wade through some crap to find it if you read online, unless you can find one of the archives that is selective about quality, or a reliable list of recs. (e.g. the Crack Van is reliable in some fandoms, but not in others.) A lot of the official franchise books are dire, and in fact one of my selection criteria for franchise books is to find ones by authors whom I happen to know have written good fanfic.
As for turning the fantasy world upside down... Quote from Mary Gentle: "There are worse ways to get ideas than "bloody hell, if I see another noble, well-mannered, singing elf I'm gonna HURL!"" You might well enjoy her "Grunts!" :-)
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Date: 2005-09-03 03:01 am (UTC)A good place to find some recent high quality fanfic is here:
http://www.altogetherelsewhere.net/multiverse/
Of those I've read, Colorblind and Travel Light are especially fine.
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Date: 2005-09-03 04:23 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2005-09-03 08:14 am (UTC)Thank you so much for this.
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Date: 2005-09-03 11:50 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2005-09-04 09:18 am (UTC)If I have a story that you could just "change the names" of and write it as original fiction - I write it as original fiction in the FIRST place.
I can't understand why this is so hard for people to get.
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Date: 2005-09-03 04:07 pm (UTC)One way I like to describe fanfic is that it's like historical fiction, only the "history" happens to be somebody else's made-up history. The same kind of things are required: research, being true to the existing events, writing the known characters "in-character"... and of course in SF nowadays there's also the genre of alternative histories, which would be the equivalent of AU fanfic, the "what-if" stories that don't have a reset button.
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Date: 2005-09-03 11:54 pm (UTC)That would be me.
Date: 2005-09-03 07:34 pm (UTC)Re: That would be me.
Date: 2005-09-03 11:40 pm (UTC)Re: That would be me.
Date: 2005-09-04 03:30 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2005-09-04 01:12 am (UTC)Nicely said, Jules. Sums up everything I'd say about fic, save one.
I write fanfic because I fell in love with someone else's world. To me, there's no higher praise for another writer than to love her/his characters so much you cannot stop thinking about them.
So. If I'm ever good enough that someone gets the urge to fic my worlds? I'll cry for joy.
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Date: 2005-09-04 09:25 am (UTC)It's so nice that there's someone else who kinda groks that. It's not that much of a leap when you consider that yes, at its core, Fanfic is an expression of love.
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Date: 2005-09-08 09:40 pm (UTC)And ya know, IMO, if they'd just put more sex on television, I wouldn't have to write so much fic. Heee!
OK, sorry, seriously, I think fic is an expression of desire and affection. A willingness to engage the characters, to think about them and dream about them, and to make the creator's world come to life in our imagination.
That's praise of the highest sort.
Oh, I know, there are creators who don't think so. It's just, well... if we're not making money off it, and we're spreading the influence of their words and their worlds...why have such a high ownership quotient? Don't we write for the readers?
Hear, Hear!!
Date: 2005-09-09 08:25 am (UTC)And as for sex on television: "There is something fundamentaly sick about a society where a naked blade is considered less offensive than a naked woman." -Spider Robinson
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Date: 2005-09-04 03:32 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2005-09-13 10:40 am (UTC)This is what draws me to fanfic to begin with. After you've read the entire cannon in your particular fandom, there's a desire for something more. Since my fandom is comics, there's a desire for some adult conversations, a little realism, and a lot of what they're doing when not pummelling one another into paste.
Fanfic writers don't need to offer a 40 year summary of what the characters have been doing since their creation. They assume the reader is familiar and jump right into the meat of the story. As a reader, I find the well told fanfic stories incredibly satisfying.
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Date: 2005-09-13 02:40 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2005-12-09 06:28 pm (UTC)I notice that you don't mind if others post a link here in their journals. I will definitely be doing that as I love and agree with it :-)
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Date: 2005-12-10 07:50 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2005-12-14 04:39 am (UTC)Luckily, though finding people does seem to be harder I can't say that I've never had a problem getting someone to look over my stuff. Getting them to do a real critique and not just saying 'Oh, you're doing great' is sometimes another story.
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Date: 2005-12-09 07:15 pm (UTC)The industry has actually opened up TO fanfic writers, at least it has started to. Stargate novels in the UK is a good example.
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Date: 2005-12-10 07:55 pm (UTC)And a fair number of the Trek franchise writers from way back did fanfic. The difference was that they also had a pro track record before being asked to write franchise novels.
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Date: 2005-12-10 02:44 am (UTC)That is such a good point. I started working on a novela a couple of years ago, and after I had a few chapters in place, I sent copies to a few RL friends of mine who I thought would appreciate Fantasy. I got very little feedback from them except from my mother, who liked it, but couldn't understand it. In the end, (I've added a few chapters since then, and I'm about half way through) if the story never sells, I'm sure my online friends will read it and send feedback, and that will probably be okay with me.
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Date: 2005-12-10 09:09 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2007-08-12 07:43 pm (UTC)Crack cocaine!
(I've published academic stuff as well.)
Writing for publication is something I do, but I don't see it as hostile to or keeping me from writing fanfic (different purpose, audience).
I always love confounding those people who express the idea that fanfic writers are all losers who cannot write anything else.
Just as I always enjoy confounding my college students who think that people who read sf are stupid and weird.
*heh*
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Date: 2007-08-28 07:38 pm (UTC)There are a lot of pro authors who write or wrote fanfic (and some pro editors as well). More than the detractors realise, but one can't name names in public without being absolutely certain they're okay with it, because it could cause trouble for those writers. One or two will stand up in public and say they're proud to be a fanfic writer -- e.g.