I'll shut up for the night after this one, I swear

[julesjones]

Just watched the second episode of Torchwood for the first time -- the one that most of my flist thought sucked harder than... well, fill in the bad joke yourself. This is the one with the sex gas driving a young woman to bonk anything in trousers, praying mantis style. Detailed analysis later, but will you all hate me if I say that it wasn't good, but it wasn't actually utterly terrible?

Comments

[tiggerbrasilf.livejournal.com]

Its the second episode so doesn't have to be good really (: I quite liked it but it was probably the idea more than the actual script (: Though if you hate it thats fine too. I mostly like the cute men (:

[julesjones]

The team are just that bit too nasty to each other, and the boys are spending too much time wanking over the hot girl on girl action in the cell for plausibility given that they already know that sex with this woman is fatal. It's *funny*, because in other circumstances it would be very believable behaviour, but it's not believable in the circumstances they have.

And of course the sex scenes in this one do absolutely nothing for me, though the sight of Ianto sitting at the table with his napkin tucked in and looking terribly young makes me feel like a dirty old woman.

[tiggerbrasilf.livejournal.com]

If you look at it from a beleivability point of view it is indeeds a bit pants (: Oh and they should really avoid putting in the sexy scenes as they never seem to quite manage them for some reason. My imagination does far worse on its own! Though Ianto is just scarily cute isn't he? You know someone has created a new community for people that feel like pervy women looking and people like this which is fun (:

[julesjones]

Thank you, but I am *not* giving up The Greenhouse Scene. :->

I didn't know about the comm, but it sounds like one I should join...

[tiggerbrasilf.livejournal.com]

Mmm greenhouse scene... You know someone has put it on a loop on youtube to make it look like it goes on for a while? (:

Oh and that comm can be found at http://community.livejournal.com/eldersquee/ its funny (: Very new though so who knows...

[birdsedge.livejournal.com]

It was probably my least favourite episode, but still worth watching I think. Sure there were plot holes. Tell me of any TV show without plot holes... In the case of TW I'm happy to suspend disbelief when necessary.

[julesjones]

This one went a bit too far in requiring suspension of disbelief for me, but it wasn't complete rubbish. And there are some nice bits in it that I'll be happy to rewatch, even if I skip over some of the other bits.

[katlinel.livejournal.com]

I didn't think any of S1 Torchwood was utterly terrible - each episode had something in it that made it worth it for me, but then I was also watching two other programmes* at the same time that I thought were abominable so I was probably using up my bile and hatred on them.

*Robin Hood and Primeval

[steph-vaughan.livejournal.com]

I liked it for the boy kiss. Okay, so my standards are low--at least I have them.

[julesjones]

Have you seen series 2 yet? Lots of reasons for m/m fans to be in their bunks...

[steph-vaughan.livejournal.com]

I have and I'm not riveted. Not sure why--maybe it's just that the boy isn't watching any more. He was the one to come yell, "Hey, Mom, a new Torchwood!"

Can we get a "Best Jack and Ianto" clip special?

[julesjones]

All over YouTube...

[steph-vaughan.livejournal.com]

Too much work. I need them compiled, put on one DVD or download, and delivered directly to me. See? If iTunes was all that, they'd already have this done. Slackers.

[julesjones]

So far I haven't seen anything utterly unwatchable, and I suspect that even the much-reviled Countrycide will have one or two bits I'll be happy to play multiple times. I suspect that 1.02 was more annoying for those who saw the series in correct order.

[birdsedge.livejournal.com]

Grrr the Jonas Armstrong ITV Robin Hood is appalling. (Dialogue like: 'Come on, my gang.' Oh please!) But I have an idea for a Robin Hoodesque novel so I do tend to watch everything Robin Hoody that crops up. In this case the TV companies should have saved themselves an awful lot of money doing a remake and should just have shown the Michael Praed Robin of Sherwood seasons again. Though they've had very limited repeats (on freeview TV), they never got a single repeat on primetime, I believe due to some dispute about repeat fees and actors' residuals.

As to Primeval... I can't make up my mind. Cutter's a very unlikely hero and Steven, who was obviously set up to be the eye-candy macho role just didn't quite cut the mustard. Abbie turned out to be very likeable though and (surprisingly) so did Connor. It's a load of bollox, of course, but some of it surprisingly watchable bollox. If there's no Doctor Who on at the same time when season three airs I will probably watch it again.

[agentxpndble.livejournal.com]

Now that I have two seasons under my belt, I actually kind of like it... I think the problem was that it was so early on, I didn't have a true picture of what Torchwood was all about. So it seemed ridiculous and offensive compared to what one would expect from *other* shows - But within the Torchwood model (which became clear later,) I thought it was good. I also appreciate it more having heard all the behind the scenes people talking about it - Let's face it, it's by fanboys for fanboys. I can appreciate that. ;-)

I think it's the only episode in season one, however, that doesn't *really* stand up to the 2x12 filter - I felt some stuff contradicted that a little... Although I *LOVED* all the stuff about Jack being so cold and cruel - So, so awesome considering Cyberwoman! and 2x12!Ianto.

It's that bit in 1x02 when they are all sitting around the conf table (yeah, those caps I posted are from that, thanks) eating lunch that could be a bit sloppy, depending on how you interpret it - They are all speculating about Jack's leanings and it seems the Gay thing is still unconfirmed... Ianto professes that he doesn't *care* - not that he doesn't *know* - but one would assume he would know by that point and why wouldn't he say? Of course, if he *does* know (from personal experience) but lets everyone think that he doesn't, that says something right there. He also does that thing with the napkin tucked in, which I had blocked from my memory I guess. :::headdesk::: And he laughs - a full out laugh. He is the very epitome of adorable.

But, as stated many times, this was the first filmed - written early - etc... Might be that we have to toss this out of canon as it suits us.

[julesjones]

"I don't care" I can easily work round as Ianto simply not wanting to talk about it, or doing his best to convince himself that he doesn't care.

I'd seen that scene (either a video clip or simply quoted with photos, I can't remember which now) before season 2 even though I hadn't seen the episode, and it struck me then as being a fairly literal "I don't care" -- i.e. "none of my business and I don't really think it's anyone else's". Coming after the exchange in 1.01, it looked to me as if Ianto suspected that Jack was bi or gay, but wasn't bothered by it and wasn't interested in discussing it. I can fit that alongside 2.12 by seeing it as something that Ianto really doesn't want to get into discussing, for all sorts of reasons. (I still think even after 2.12 that Jack and Ianto didn't do anything about the attraction until They Keep Killing Suzie, though I'm perfectly willing to read fic that says otherwise.)

The bit that jars for me is more that 2.12 says that Tosh and Owen have been working with Jack for over 3 and 2 years respectively at this point, and it doesn't really read in that scene as if they've known him quite as long as that.

[agentxpndble.livejournal.com]

The bit that jars for me is more that 2.12 says that Tosh and Owen have been working with Jack for over 3 and 2 years ...

Yes, I thought that the speculation from them about Jack seemed terribly late in the game... I doubt you could spend more than a few months around him and not feel pretty certain - Even if he never confirmed it completely, it seems pretty obvious if you spend time around him. You'd at least be coming from a position of, "He's pretty clearly into guys but we've never been able to get him to come out and admit it."

[julesjones]

Tosh is more plausible, because she does go on to say that she's been watching him and she thinks he'll shag anyone who's gorgeous enough, which implies she's been watching him for a while. But even so it doesn't feel quite right for the timescale given in Fragments.

But on the other hand, Jack flirts outrageously with anything and everything, but as far as we've seen on screen he leaves it up to the other party to take things further than that. I suppose that could leave people rather confused as to what he's actually interested in.